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PE-WJ-Diplo [OckerBoy]: again Hermis, again
Date:Sun, 14 May 2006 11:15:02 +0000

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again Hermis you have escaped any attempt at a tit-for-tat strike!!!

You stole Quongan which I was preparing to sell to Imutnab and my
connecting region to Quongan disappears in a diaster!!!

The disasters always work against me, never for me!!!


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PE-WJ-Diplo [Hermis]: re: again Hermis, again
Date:Sun, 14 May 2006 19:14:41 +0000

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OckerBoy, it was the time when disaster was for you. You should
appreciate this. :)




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PE-WJ-Announce [Moderator]: Alliances and Restarts
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 20:43:13 +0000

Announcement from the Moderator to All Leaders:

Professor's situation raises a rules question:  Should a leader who
restarts be allowed to leave an alliance?  The rules make it clear
that alliance membership is permanent, so certainly one can't leave an
alliance while one is still alive.  On the other hand, someone who is
wiped out, and then restarts later under a different name, certainly
isn't a member of the alliance any more. Professor's situation (as
someone who restarts and gives up everything except his old name)
falls in the middle.  What do people think?  My inclination is to say
that once you restart, you're a free agent again.  It wouldn't be fair
to punish an alliance by saddling it with a newborn nation as a
fighting partner.  But on the other hand, as long as the Leader's name
lives, a lot of diplomatic history is preserved.  

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PE-WJ-Diplo [OckerBoy]: old name, new game
Date:Sun, 14 May 2006 22:28:14 +0000

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I reckon they could just adjust their name a little bit, like, in this
example, 'The Prof' or something.

And then make a public statement recant their erstwhile allies. Make
the dirt public, that sort of thing.


:-)
Ockerboy


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PE-WJ-Diplo [OckerBoy]: old name, new game
Date:Sun, 14 May 2006 22:29:07 +0000

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I reckon they could just adjust their name a little bit, like, in this
example, 'The Prof' or something.

And then make a public statement recanting their erstwhile allies.
Make the dirt public, that sort of thing.

:-)
Ockerboy


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PE-WJ-Diplo [Acanthopis]: Alliances and Restarts
Date:Mon, 15 May 2006 00:47:59 +0000

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The more one tries to restrict things, the more complex the rules
enforcement becomes. You start having to try to figure out who used to
be what and all kinds of other stuff. If you die, or commit suicide, I
say that's the end of your nation, and you can come back however you
like, and be part of whatever alliance you want.

By the way, while I'm talking, I did want to send a quick statement
out to the world, because it looks like OckerBoy is ransoming his
nation in order to get a few armies so he can be a player. OckerBoy's
lands are ill-gotten. Buying them is like buying a TV on a street
corner from someone strung out on meth--you're just feeding the habit.
I am making a claim on OckerBoy's nation right now. He and I are at
war, and once I can get Zabor out of my way, well, then I'll try to
collect on the claim I'm staking.

So, if you're fighting OckerBoy, I have no argument with you. However,
if you buy his lands, from this point on I will assert my right to
retake them (obviously this doesn't apply to past purchases). I won't
think of my attacking as an act of war, because those lands should not
be sold (especially since he'll just use those big armies to take
lands from me and my friends). Not that I'm really in a position to
threaten, but...you know...with luck, maybe later you'll be at least a
little scared... :-)

-- Acanthopis


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PE-WJ-Diplo [Zabor]: Claims laid by a dead man
Date:Mon, 15 May 2006 06:37:27 +0000

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Hello everybody,

Everyone is welcomed take part in campaign against Acanthopis, as he's
going to be overrun and he's weakening turn by turn and don't quite
have the troops to defend himself. Some of us are anyways going to be
so opportunistic that the rest of us got to follow suite.

So Free Meals tm (who said there was no such thing?) offered by Zabor
at Acanthopis, and no, I'm not laying claim on his areas, just taking
what I can, so everyone is welcome to join in on the fun...

Yours,
-Zabor

ps. I like acanthopis, he's a likeable fellow, it's just that he wages
war against my teammate that forces my hand.


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PE-WJ-Diplo [Kalvis]: Alliances and Restarts
Date:Mon, 15 May 2006 07:23:40 +0000

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I think once leader joins an alliance he should be part of it till the
end of universe. If leader restarts, he is still the same leader, with
same diplo history. If player wants to leave an alliance after
restart, he must change the name, so others would have a chance to not
know who he is.

Maybe it's just me, but if Kalvis restarts, he still would have
simpathies towards members of SA and antipathy towards James. And
others would have attitude towards Kalvis based on his past as a
member of SA. If I restart as a new leader, then I would be able to
reset my diplo memory and could hope that others would treat me as a
new leader with no past.

Leting go of the old name is leting go of the past. Keeping the name
is keeping the obligations associated with it. That is my vote.


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PE-WJ-Diplo [Zabor]: Alliances and restarts
Date:Mon, 15 May 2006 09:14:48 +0000

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In my opinion, it wouldd be best to let the player choose the way he's
gonna restart, with new or old identity.
Think about eg imutnab who pursues an old feud with james, professor
would maybe be inclined to do likewise against SA members, so an
attempt at cutting all ties to the past has to be done by restarting
with new name. Secret grudges if pursued are likely to give away the
old identity at some point anyway, so it would be reasonable to leave
the decision up to the restarter to choose between new and old
identity, and whether he prefers to continue in an alliance or not.
my 5 cents.


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PE-WJ-Diplo [Arizona]: Professor chose to be in TS
Date:Tue, 16 May 2006 14:16:42 +0000

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I see in the summary of Turn 141, what Professor still belongs to TS.
So Bob's question is unreasonable - Prof chose his side and destiny
already, entering SA one more time, when put this SA in his nation
name. He can restart right now with new name and then we shouldn't
chase him for only reason he was in TS. New name means new life by
default for everybody. This is a game, not Hague tribunal with bitchy
DelPonte haund. That is my 3 kopecks.

Arizona



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PE-WJ-Diplo [The Sorceress]: Real World
Date:Tue, 16 May 2006 21:53:06 +0000

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Please, Arizona, leave real world out of any PE diplomacy...


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PE-WJ-Announce [Moderator]: Restarts / Alliance Membership
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 23:18:11 +0000

Announcement from the Moderator to All Leaders:

Okay, let's do this:

(1) As in the standard rules, anyone who restarts can keep his/her
name if they wish. But those who choose to keep their old name are
forewarned that this will saddle their new baby-sized nation with
their old diplomatic baggage.

(2) If an alliance member restarts, by default they are no longer a
member of their previous alliance, and must change their alliance
membership "tag" in their nations' name.
If the player wants to rejoin the alliance, and the alliance agrees
(and still has a slot available), then the alliance must make a public
announcement to that effect as usual.

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