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PE-WJ-Diplo [Hermis]: Broken treaty
Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 05:01:43 +0000

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Dear world

I was shocked when I saw CHICKENLITTLE attacked me this turn. We had
peace treaty till 85 turn. He roughly broke it. 

I give chance for him to explain his actions in front of all world.

Hermis


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PE-WJ-Diplo [OckerBoy]: Diddums
Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 08:08:56 +0000

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Both you Hermis and Kalvis did the same to me.

Enjoy


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PE-WJ-Diplo [Kalvis]: HonorX
Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 08:21:00 +0000

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Dear OckerBoy, I do not know what was between you and Hermis, but me
and you had no treaties! First you started a campaign of intrigues,
now you start campaign of lie.

Leaders, no matter what you feel about me, or about Hermis, but if
ChickenLittle has broken some kind of treaty with Hermis, we should
punish him.

What about your honor talks, TS?

Kalvis


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PE-WJ-Diplo [Hermis]: Facts
Date:Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:41:57 +0000

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OckerBoy show me and all the world a message where you and I have
signed a peace treaty. 
We haven't even talked about signing any peace pact. 

CHICKENLITTLE and I have peace treaty till 85 turn. Last turn I
offered him to sign new peace treaty which have to be canceled 5 turns
before an attack. But he answered that I have to pay him 30 units for
such treaty. 

Yours faithfully
Hermis

 

 


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PE-WJ-Announce [Moderator]: TS Victory? 5 Turns Notice
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:06:55 +0000

Announcement from the Moderator to All Leaders:

It appears I have been remiss in tracking the victory conditions for
this Universe.  The "TS" alliance has satisfied the victory conditions
listed in the WJ-Rules and the Leaders' Guide.
If, on the Turn 84 newspapers, the TS alliance still controls 1/3 of
the regions owned by the Major nations, and still satisfies all the
other conditions, this Universe will enter a New Era and restart.

-- Power's Edge, http://www.powersedge.net/ 




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PE-WJ-Diplo [OckerBoy]: mea culpa
Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:00:22 +0000

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Hermis was right. I am an idiot.

He still attack me without warning though.


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PE-WJ-Diplo [Bald Porcupines]: Village of Idiots?
Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:51:02 +0000

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Competition appears to be pretty stiff for the title of Village Idiot
around here...  The voting booths will be open through Turn 84 - be
sure to cast your vote!

OckerBoy and Kalvis are high in the latest polls, for starting a war
for no good reason when the dominant alliance was about to take over
the world.  But OckerBoy has the lead in the latest tally - message
logs show that he actually quoted the victory conditions in a public
announcement a few turns ago - without, it seems, bothering to
actually check them against the latest newspaper.

Arizona, Acanthopis and Hermis are certainly in the running, for
standing by Kalvis without warning the rest of the world of TS
imminent victory...  Then again, maybe they're preparing to launch
their own alliance and stymie the TS?

All 4 members of TS, for not claiming victory on any of the last 13
turns (they've been over the victory conditions limit since Turn 66). 
To be fair, perhaps they were worried about a secret alliance of
Kalvis-Arizona-Acanthopis-Hermis going public, and decided to bide
their time out of fear that if they did declare, they weren't strong
enough to hold on for 5 turns? Actually, otherwise I can't make sense
of Professor's message to me:  "I like to think ahead about seven
turns, especially with all these 5T NA pacts that seem to be common." 
For someone who supposedly thinks ahead 7 turns, you'd think he'd have
foreseen his victory oh, about 20 turns ago...)

But really, everyone has to be considered, for receiving OckerBoy's
message about the victory conditions and not seeing what it meant
themselves!

Or has everyone known all this victory-conditions stuff all along, and
just kept quiet about it for their own reasons?

Votes are now being accepted!  The voting booths are open for the next
5 turns.  At the end, we'll see who were the Village Idiots, and who
were being crafty and keeping quiet out of intelligent
self-interest...

- Bald Porcupines, large enough to have a voice, but too small for it
to matter...



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PE-WJ-Diplo [Acanthopis]: TS Victory
Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:53:12 +0000

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I will gladly accept Bald Porcupine's nomination for village idiot for
many reasons, but failing to realize that TS was about to "win" may
not be one of them. I mean, come on, how can they win if only one of
them is even among the top 5 nations? 

Of course, the advantage is that they cannot. I have declared war on
them, as have several other nations, although the war appears to be
going badly just now. I will do all I can to drop TS below the
required minimum (er...once I go look up what it is), but I would
suggest that all others do the same. I understand that many of you
have 5-turn non-aggression pacts, but I have to say that I would blame
no-one if they broke such a pact if (when? ;-) ) I were in a similar
position. If someone proposes to take your world away, it seems that
the role of "honor" must change somewhat. Nobody should be allowed to
back into victory in this world--victory should be the result of
surviving through a large, exciting battle against the others in the
realm. Otherwise what glory lies in victory? Is there any greater
honor in this world than defending the existence of glory??? IS
THERE?

(sure, but let's move on)

So, I hereby request assistance from all other nations to work to draw
TS down just below the victory condition. Once they are no longer a
threat to take the world away from us, we can go back to our petty
squabbles.

-- Acanthopis


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PE-WJ-Diplo [James Howlett]: Scare Tactics
Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:04:34 +0000

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For any of you not in the know -- Acanthopis, Kalvis, Arizona, and
Hermis seem to have a large, powerful, secret alliance of their own. 
Just because TS is the only group with enough guts to publicly declare
ourselves doesn't mean we should be punished.  All those four need to
do to stop TS from winning is declare themselves publicly.  But
instead, they're going to try to play mind games and use scare tactics
to get everyone else to attack us.  Strangely enough that would leave
them in a perfect situation to announce their alliance and meet the
victory condition.

I hope that helps you understand why TS didn't bother with declaring
our victory conditions sooner Bald Porcupine.

James


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PE-WJ-Diplo [Acanthopis]: TS Victory
Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:56:52 +0000

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OK, so I went and read the victory conditions, and I am confused. Here
is condition number 1:

"First, there must be a public announcement that a single
publicly-declared Alliance of Nations controls enough Regions."

There was no public announcement. It was my understanding (although I
am very forgetful so I had to go look things up) that an alliance
could decide when to "start the clock". There are many reasons for
waiting before trying to grab a victory, so I don't see why the
moderator should have to start the clock for them.

So, unless someone tells me that I'm wrong, or unless TS declares that
they would like to start the clock, I think that there is no danger of
the world ending in 5 turns because condition 1 hasn't yet been met. 

In that case, there is no need at all for an all-out war on TS; we
just need to make sure that we keep them to such a size that we can
stop them if/when we need to. 

Now, regarding James' comments, I had not realized that we could stop
a victory by just declaring our own alliance. In that case, as long as
I remain strong enough, folks can rest assured that I will do
so--either with the folks he names or others--to keep the world from
ending. I am not trying to be honorable here; if the world ends, I
simply wish to be one of the victors.

-- Acanthopis, less confused now


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PE-WJ-Diplo [Acanthopis]: TS Victory
Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:56:54 +0000

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OK, so I went and read the victory conditions, and I am confused. Here
is condition number 1:

"First, there must be a public announcement that a single
publicly-declared Alliance of Nations controls enough Regions."

There was no public announcement. It was my understanding (although I
am very forgetful so I had to go look things up) that an alliance
could decide when to "start the clock". There are many reasons for
waiting before trying to grab a victory, so I don't see why the
moderator should have to start the clock for them.

So, unless someone tells me that I'm wrong, or unless TS declares that
they would like to start the clock, I think that there is no danger of
the world ending in 5 turns because condition 1 hasn't yet been met. 

In that case, there is no need at all for an all-out war on TS; we
just need to make sure that we keep them to such a size that we can
stop them if/when we need to. 

Now, regarding James' comments, I had not realized that we could stop
a victory by just declaring our own alliance. In that case, as long as
I remain strong enough, folks can rest assured that I will do
so--either with the folks he names or others--to keep the world from
ending. I am not trying to be honorable here; if the world ends, I
simply wish to be one of the victors.

-- Acanthopis, less confused now


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PE-WJ-Diplo [OckerBoy]: Universal Cancellation
Date:Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:03:16 +0000

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Acanthoopsis has just cancelled all treaties. Snakey move. Works both
ways though. All ways though.

Chicken Little must have been ahead of the curve. Or incompetent.


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PE-WJ-Diplo [CHICKEN LITTLE]: IMPROTANT WARNING!
Date:Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:09:46 +0000

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OH NO!  THE SKY IS FALLING...THE SKY IS FALLING!!!


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PE-WJ-Diplo [Acanthopis]: Clarification
Date:Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:37:08 +0000

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Sorry to fill up your mailboxes, but just to clarify for Ockerboy: I
have not broken and do not intend to break any of my alliances. I
declared war on TS five turns ago--on the same turn that they declared
war on Kalvis, as I said I would. I have no quarrel with any of my
other neighbors. I was simply advocating for others to ask themselves
whether they wished to world to remain or not, because the Message
from the Gods frightened me. I was also admitting that if my alleged
Secret Alliance ever went public, I would expect to have to defend my
borders against everyone, because I would not expect a treaty to save
me if I was trying to destroy the world.

I am not trying to play "mind games" as my friend and enemy Mr.
Howlett suggests, I was simply confused. As long as TS plus Ockerboy
plus Chicken Little don't wipe out my friends Kalvis and Hermis, we
should be able to forestall TS victory and keep the world safe for
petty squabbles. It would still love some help from others, as this
meta-alliance is stronger than this Secret Alliance I may or may not
be a part of :-), but the situation is not quite so dire as I had
initially considered it to be. Still, Mr. Howlett just said that they
would have declared the start of their victory conditions had it not
been for the presence of this alleged Secret Alliance, so at the very
least, we're helping to keep the world alive (or...or would be if we
existed). Reason eough to join the Dark Side, no?

-- Acanthopis


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PE-WJ-Diplo [Professor]: I will abstain
Date:Wed, 14 Sep 2005 03:35:00 +0000

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The Professor will abstain from voting in the Village of Idiots title
since I already have a title, At least in this Wilderness Justice
universe. The criticism directed at me from Bald Porcupines seems
rather harsh. Especially since I did grant his request to have my
Biology department research growing fur and more spikes on his
minions.

As I read the fourth of five victory conditions which are in play for
this wilderness, "Fourth, that Alliance must also control at least 3/2
as many Regions as (a) the next-largest Alliance and (b) every Nation
not in any Alliance", I don't see how The Specialists alliance could
stake a claim and start the victory clock. There are no other
alliances, so the TS alliance would need 1.5 times the number of
regions of all (assumed to be 9 major i.e. connected) non-aligned
nations. This would require significantly more regions than TS holds
now, back on T66 or will hold come T86.

By my calculations there are only 234 regions belonging to the 13
major nations instead of 236, but why quibble. That would give TS 38
percent and the Kalvis Defense Force (KDF) 34 percent. The KDF enjoys
a 2 percent advantage in unit strength and 7 percent advantage in
production over TS. Adding in Ockerboy and CHICKEN LITTLE's accros the
board 9 percent would give TS a sizable edge. The three non-warring
factions roughly hold 15 percent of the major resources while the
so-called non-major nations hold double digit percentages of total
resources.

This leads me to the conclusion that this game is far from over.
Perhaps the next era of this universe could become the Village of
Idiots (VI).

Professor of Academia


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PE-WJ-Announce [Moderator]: Rules Clarifications
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 04:00:58 +0000

Announcement from the Moderator to All Leaders:

Sorry for the confusion, everyone:

* The rules didn't say where the announcements about an alliance's
situation relative to the victory conditions should come from.  As
Moderator I assumed it was my job to track that.  But I see from
rereading histories of past universes that members of an alliance
sometimes made the "victory conditions" claim immediately when their
alliance was declared and over the limit (before I could do so as
moderator).  So there's room for various interpretations.  The one
from now on will be that any Leader or Moderator can start the clock
by making the appropriate observations in a factually correct manner.

* The winning alliance must be at least 3/2 the size of the
next-largest alliance, and each and every individual nation not in an
alliance (not the sum total of every other nation)...

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