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PE-WJ-Diplo [Bantumi]: Inaccuracies again....
Date:Tue, 24 May 2005 11:23:36 +0000

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Inaccuracies again....
As I see TS thinks that their decision to attack me is not my
business. Interesting…

Iceman where have you found the fact that I have an alliance? Why are
you trying to defraud the world? I can bet you have done this on
purpose. You know that I don’t have alliance. 
I have mutual defense pacts. It is completely different things. If two
leaders have mutual defense pact then they defend each other if one of
them is attacked. But they don’t support aggressive actions. 

Well, Iceman, as you are a member of alliance you can support
aggressive action and transfer units to James Howlett. But why James
needs to lie that he is going to fight alone?

TS wants me to announce my friends in order to be on equal footing.
Why TS don't care about equal footing when three of them attack one
leader? It is not honorable.

For other leaders:
Imagine situation.
You are strong leader, one of top10. You have many regions and units,
good production. You have 4-5 borders with TS. As you are peaceful you
have non-aggression pact with each of them. One day you get message
that TS has to expand and after 5 turns all your pacts will be
canceled. TS thinks that it is honorable; they don't break any pact,
but…
Who of you are able to defend yourself? 

Sooner or later such day will come.

Bantumi


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PE-WJ-Diplo [James Howlett]: Simple Logic
Date:Tue, 24 May 2005 12:12:37 +0000

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Bantumi, you seem to be missing the point.  Mutual defense pacts are
all fine and good in this world but they don't allow you to break
other treaties.  If you are part of a public alliance and someone
attacks you or one of your public members then all treaties between
you and the members of your alliance and the aggressor are off.  If
someone else in your alliance attacks someone that doesn't allow you
to break any peace treaties you have with them.  You would still need
to give your notice or wait for the appropriate turn.  You are
treating your mututal defense pacts exactly like an alliance.  This is
why you are being accused of having a secret alliance.

From the PE-WJ Rules document:
6. Permanent Alliances: Once a Nation becomes a member of an Alliance,
that membership must be made public, and it is permanent: nations may
not withdraw from an alliance unless the Alliance has only one
member.

I have given you and the one secret ally I know of several turns to
give me notice if they want to cancel a peace treaty.  That has not
happened.  I can only hope now that if they decide to break their
peace treaties that the other leaders of this world will not stand for
it.

Your claims about the TS alliance being some kind of power hungry
monster ring hollow.  We have never given any leader who has a peace
treaty with us reason to fear us.  We keep to our word and yes, we are
honorable.

James