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PE-RA-Diplo [Platonic1]: Asterix-13
Date:Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:11:04 +0000

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Be aware, ye all, that the forces of Platonic1 do hereby claim the
independent region of Asterix-13. Because we like it.


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PE-RA-Diplo [-xXx-]: In response
Date:Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:33:33 +0000

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First off, I would just like to say that Winston Churchhill had the
most units of any nation back in the day.  Tzu and I were both around
the middle of the pack.  We were allies in the previous world and
decided to work together again.  Neither of us had any treaties with
Winston and I gave Winston one turn notice that I was going to attack
him.  This is a war game, you make allies, make enemies, and get
enjoyment out seeing your nation grow and prosper.

Anyone can try to twist Leila's treaty breaking however they like.  We
had a peace agreement.  There were no escape clauses in it of any
kind.  There was nothing that said she could break it if I attacked an
ally or that she could break it if she really, really needed to.  As I
said above, this is a war game and I'm not going to apologize for
playing it.  I will always maintain my honor in this game because that
is the right thing to do.  Breaking treaties is wrong.  Period.  There
is no way to make it right.  The Watchers II take the attitude that
everyone should get along or else ... or else he'll attack you and
make you get along with the people he likes.  He pretends to be high
and mighty but he condones Leila's breaking of a binding peace
agreement.  That just shows his true character.

I did indeed offer a peace agreement to The Watchers II about two
turns ago.  I said that we could have immediate peace on our current
borders so that I could focus on Leila.  Leila is an oath-breaker and
deserves to be destroyed.  I was not sure what kind of response I
would get but I figured I would appeal to his sense of honor and
decency and hope for the best.  As you can see, I was sadly
disappointed.

Think of me what you will but you can never say I broke an agreement
and you can never say I caused myself any dishonor.  Any of you who
support the oath-breaker Leila Skywalker bring great dishonor upon
yourselves.  If she wanted to attack me, that is fine, but she should
have waited until after our treaty expired.

That is all,
-xXx-


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PE-RA-Diplo [Little Gamers]: Asterix-12
Date:Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:59:08 +0000

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Net Message: The fun-loving LAN Party will be taking over the
Asterix-12 network as the Little Gamers are getting restless on that
side of town. If any neighbors have claim to the beer and chips at
Asterix-12 speak now or forever wait in line for the bathroom.


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PE-RA-Diplo [Watchers II]: Peace, not War
Date:Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:55:22 +0000

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Once I again, on this day of thanksgiving, I must be thankful that I
do not live in the same moral universe as xXx.

He writes: " This is a war game, you make allies, make enemies, and
get enjoyment out seeing your nation grow and prosper."

Actually, this Universe isn't a game at all, and even if it was, my
people would view it as a Peace Game, not a war game.  The Leader's
Guide says "There are no predetermined goals or purposes" and in fact
we can pursue any goals that we wish, and that is what we choose to
pursue.  There is more than one Way (in the Taoist sense, even) to
"get enjoyment out seeing your nation grow and prosper."  Our Way is
not xXx's Way.  But sometimes diplomacy and deterrence fail and the
aggressors must be stopped with force and not appeasement.

Watchers


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PE-RA-Diplo [Tzu Doh Nam]: friends?
Date:Fri, 28 Nov 2003 05:42:40 +0000

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First of all, Happy Thanksgiving!  I am thankful for ALL of you
for interacting with power'sedge no matter what side of any issue
you are on.  

The reason for my bothering you all once again (and I think this 
will be the last time on the Leila issue) is that Watchers and 
Winston have painted a very glorified version of what Leila has done.
She was "just helping a friend" and "simply ending a treaty 3 turns
early".  But in fact this is not true.

Leila was not a friend of Winston.  She supported my invasion and
even agreed in principle to loan me troops for the effort although
that wasn't necessary.  Indeed, until -xXx- joined the effort it
seemed clear which side she was on.  When -xXx- started to help me,
she started to sound less enthusiastic about helping.  She tried to 
get me to distrust -xXx-.  Finally, she told me she had no problem
with my invasion, but couldn't stand still while -xXx- took all
those regions from NBE.  She hoped we could still be friends.

The very next turn she invaded -xXx- with almost all her armies
on four different fronts.  You can draw your own conclusions, but 
to me it is pretty clear that she had planned this engagement for
quite some time, and knew she was acting against her word.  It may
be true that Winston pleaded with her for help.  But my guess is
that she knew she had a wide open shot at -xXx-.  Four borders some
of which were close to his home worlds (must be as they met early
on).
She was looking for an excuse to do the invasion and when -xXx- 
helped me out against NBE, she saw an opening.  She made a peace 
treaty, quietly built up troops on that border and at her 
convenience picked a time that would allow her the best attack.

This was not Leila coming to the aid of a friend.  This was Leila
looking for an excuse to dishonorably invade -xXx-.  
Tzu


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PE-RA-Diplo [Asterix]: xXx and his spirit of betrayal
Date:Fri, 28 Nov 2003 07:23:29 +0000

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Ok, if Tzu insist I can repeat it once again, why xXx is a bad man.
We used to be a neighbours once upon a time. My relation to him was
respectful, even friendly. I've consulted with him on differenet
diplomacy matters and almost every dicision I made, took into account
his interests. Yes, I canceled several agressive 'projects' because he
was against it. Then, some time  later, xXx have decided I'm too bad,
to be his ally. He spoke, that MC had threated to some nations here
and there, so it's deserved to be destroyed. No matter that actually I
have inflicted no harm to this nations.  He was two times bigger then
me this equitable xXx. Moreover, he took with him several allies to
make me feeble and my destruction inevitable. Initially they have
tried to 'observe the decencies', i.e. gave me 5 turn before attack
notice, but their bloodthirsty greed have prevail over sense of 
equity, and even these severe conditions they failed to accomplish...
What should I think about xXx after that? Could I speak he is
honorable? From formal point of view - No, as he didn't fulfil his
promise to attack me only after turn [xx], and with relation to
morality - also NO!!! He betrayed our friendly relations and esily
sacrificed my nation in the sake of own fast growth. 

I think this story about xXx is very indicative. As it could happen
again  with any new ally of him. Our nations just a means to growth
for this man. And the guys that helped him will know it one day as I
did. That is all about bad side of this man, sorry what take your
time.

And happy thanksgiving to all turkeyeaters :)
Asterix 
 


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PE-RA-Diplo [Little Gamers]: Please Check The Rules Again
Date:Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:37:33 +0000

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Straight from "The Bob"

The Special Rules for Rival Alliances are as follows:
(1) The Rival Alliances Universe is part of a Continuing Saga which 
started in Web of Intrigue.  Leaders from Web of Intrigue are allowed
to join Rival Alliances under their old names, by notifying the 
Moderator.
(2) Negotiation Phase:  No Alliances may be publicly declared 
prior to Turn 25.  Alliances may be declared at any time from the
Turn
25 news onwards.
(3) Permanent Alliances:  Once a Nation becomes a member of an 
Alliance, that membership must be made public, and it is permanent:
nations may not leave an alliance unless the alliance has only 
one member.
(4) Maximum Size:  Alliances may only add new members if the 
enlarged alliance does not contain more than 1/6 of the nations 
in the universe.
(5) Single-Alliance Victory:  To end the world, a single alliance 
must meet the standard victory conditions.  The game may still 
be restarted by a New Era vote.
(6) Two Announcements Per Turn:  All Leaders are limited to two (2) 
global announcements per turn.
(7) Unlimited Private Messages:  Unlimited secret messages are 
allowed.  Sharing of email addresses and communication by direct
email
is also allowed (unlike in Quest for Supremacy).
(8) Moderator Privilege:  These rules will be enforced as interpreted
by the Moderator, and may be modified by the Moderator at any time if
needed.



Given that much of the drama occurring currently is due to carry-over
from Web of Intrigue, can't we all agree to disagree and go from
here?

Referring to 2, 3 and 4 - No one has yet made a public announcement of
allying with any other, though there is plenty of behind the scenes
reinforcement occuring. Please remember that that alliance is
PERMANENT! If anyone out there is serius about being your ally, and
you are serious about being their's why not ANNOUNCE it to everyone
and secure their trust and confidence as you extend yours!

Also, in regards to 4 - Given the current size of RA (14 leaders), it
states that currently, an alliance can have a maximum of two (2)
members! We have at least 2 major "collectives" of people that seem to
have about 4 members each. While this isn't against the rules per se,
why is everyone so wordy and vituperative in announcements and still
shy to declaring alliances?

If you are not a part of these cooperatives please be wary when
promises are made, a wolf can wear sheep's clothing.

-Little Gamers of LAN Party