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PE-RA-Diplo [-xXx-]: Dishonor
Date:Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:18:52 +0000

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It is my opinion that if the leaders of this world don't join together
and remove Leila Skywalker from the leadership of her nation then a
solid message that breaking treaties is acceptable will be given.  I
am holding back her forces and getting help from some leaders but
others such as The Watchers II seem to have no problem with the
dishonorable actions of Leila.  We exchanged promises to not attack
each other until after turn 30 and she launched a four-pronged attack
against my nation on turn 27.  She then refused to respond to any of
my messages and has never explained her actions.  She continues to
attack me and shows no remorse for breaking her word.

In this world where we rely on the promises of other leaders such
actions should not be accepted by anyone.

That is all,
-xXx-


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PE-RA-Diplo [Asterix]: XXX  has no right to complaint
Date:Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:13:57 +0000

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XXX, piece of the dog,
you shouldn't speak about broken promises, never!!!
remember, you had attacked MC nation before our 5 turn warning period
expired. it was ok with you and your thievish 'allies'.
now eat you own bulls#!t..




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PE-RA-Diplo [-xXx-]: Once Again
Date:Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:45:10 +0000

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Monte/Asterix,
Once again, for the record, you had openly declared that you had
already hit the resign button.  This made all of your treaties null
and void as you were no longer a leader in the world.  You can't blame
all the leaders you made angry for the resign button not working for
that one turn.

You got in trouble for violating the language filter in that world as
well.  Please try to be civil, let your past life go, and try to learn
a lesson from it.

That is all,
-xXx-


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PE-RA-Diplo [Tzu Doh Nam]: Clear Choice
Date:Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:23:27 +0000

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I think Asterix's message speaks for itself. 

Leila's actions also speak for themselves.
Breaking treaties is unacceptable.  And giving
armies to those who do is just as dishonorable.

Watchers' vulture behavior is not much better
than Asterix who is giving away his armies to
the nation that invaded him unannounced earlier 
and was the subject of much whining on Asterix's 
part. All because he holds a grudge against 
someone from a previous world.

Look around---
Who would you rather have as your friend? 

Watcher should be quite wide open at the moment as he has  
given 80 to Looney and is pressing units toward -xXx-
through Winston territory.  Join us to rid this world of
the dishonorable whining treaty breakers: Watchers, Leila
Winston and Asterix.

Tzu



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PE-RA-Diplo [Asterix]: One lie give birth to another
Date:Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:00:19 +0000

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xXx,
again you are trying to misrepresent your previous agressive deeds.
In fact you and your stooges had attacked me before Bob publicly
confirmed information about my resignation. There was no solid
evidence about it when you broke our treaty.

My resume about xXx: 
- man who broke the treaty and attacked MonteC before the time he
anounced himself, then lied about it to fool public oppinion,
- agressor, who trying to find cannon-fodder nation to expose them
under Watchers & Leila retribution strikes, while grab the lands from
NBE. 

BTW, as I remember in the end of WI game you make a lucky shot againts
Watchers. He also was going to resign or what is the reason of that
agression? Are you sure you have not broke any agreemnets with him? I
doubt about it.

Since we are talking about past, I also could remember Balzar's mad
rush. Of course you will say you have formed a new nation and have no
relations with it... But not dumb us, the ruler are the same and I
hardly believe he will defect from his agressive habbits. You could
write here anyhing you want, but it's you, who have attacked NBE, not
vice versa. So it was in all the cases.

To Tzu Doh Nam (shortly)
Please, reread your previous message and try to find any logic there.
I failed...
And the second point - you have promised to share the land you grab
from NBE. I didn't see you gave a single region to anybody. May be you
also lied about your real intentions? 

Asterix


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PE-RA-Diplo [Tzu Doh Nam]: Asterix the airhead?
Date:Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:15:11 +0000

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The venum with which Asterix writes shows he is acting out
of rage and not reason.  I don't understand how such a grudge can come
from actions that occured after he announced he was
resigning.  It wasn't Bob who announced the resignation, it was
MC himself....  I don't get it.  Some people just like to be mad I 
guess.

Anyway, In support of myself, I have at the moment, two regions
taken from NBE(total of 4 production).  I have cooperated with others
and given regions to make my friends equal to me as promised.  
Asterix: look at the facts before you blindly accuse.

-xXx- did NOT attack NBE just because he was weak and had
easy regions to obtain.  In fact we had discussed (though not agreed
upon details of) working together even before I attacked
NBE.  We have been working toegther all along since that time.
there is nothing wrong with helping an honorable ally in battle 
is there?  

I repeat that Leila has really pulled a doosey with her attack 3
turns before a treaty was to be renewed.  she has made no
explanation of this action.  Watchers is now supporting her
very strongly and this is a big mistake.  It is not honorable to
support a treaty breaker.  Watchers should at least be helping
his friends learn the proper ettiquette that he preaches to his
enemies about.

Again, you decide:  who would you want to be friends with?
Tzu


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PE-RA-Diplo [Winston Churchill]: It's so wrong it's funny
Date:Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:20:31 +0000

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Tzu's latest screeds first called the Watchers vultures and later
called the Watchers, Asterix, and myself treaty breakers. Exactly
which treaties does he think we broke? The only treaty I can think of
is the one they would have liked me to sign in which I sit back and
wait for the two of them to destroy my nation and share the wealth of
my counties. 

As far as the vulture claim, I invited the Watchers to enter my
territory to aid me in repelling the invasion by Tzu and -xXx-. I am
more then content with the arrangements I have made with him with
regard to my counties and see nothing vulturine in his behavior.  

I would contrast the Watchers actions with those of Tzu and -xXx-; who
attacked my nation without provocation because it was productive and
because they thought they could get away with it. 

Tzu and -xXx- talk a lot about treaties and end dates and notice and
similar statements. I was not a party to any discussions between Leila
and -xXx-. I have no knowledge of what treaties she may or may not
have made and what the terms might have been. Tzu and -xXx- want you
to focus on these supposed treaties as if they are the most important
thing. All to avoid discussing the fact that they are the aggressors
in this war. Treaties are not the measure of honor or trustworthiness.
One builds trust through actions and deeds, not words on paper. Leila
has come to the aid of a nation victimized by the aggressive actions
of -xXx- and Tzu. That is an honorable action and one to be proud of.


So I will ask other nations the same question as Tzu. Who would you
rather have as a neighbor? Two nations who chose a victim and attacked
as early as possible, gambling that they could defeat him before
others were able to organize; or nations who have come to the aid of a
beleaguered land and have thrown their armies in to repel the
invasion. 

Winston Churchill



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PE-RA-Announce [Moderator]: Remember 2-announcement limit
Date:Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:46:14 +0000

Announcement from the Moderator to All Leaders:

Just a reminder that there is a rule for this universe which limits
each Leader to two announcements per turn.  

By my count, three nations are now at their limit for this turn (xXx,
Asterix, and Tzu).

-- Power's Edge, http://www.powersedge.net/ 

P.S. If you are no longer playing, please use the Resign button 
in your newspaper to resign.  After your resignation goes through, 
you will no longer receive these messages.


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PE-RA-Diplo [Watchers II]: Different notions of honor
Date:Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:29:51 +0000

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[ I wrote this last night, but was undecided whether to send it. 
However, since my name is now being dragged unjustly through the mud,
I think I have an obligation to speak up at least once. On the other
hand, I think there very few nations who have not taken sides at this
point, so the whole debate seems rather pointless. ]

There are different types of honor and dishonor being discussed here.
xXx apparently feels no qualms about Tzu's sneak-attack on Churchill,
or his own sneak-attack on the weakened Churchill after all that
nation's forces were diverted to face Tzu.  If honor is about words
and laws and not breaking agreements, then his invasion is perfectly
okay.  It's clear from the results that xXx's successfully prevented a
fair fight from taking place between Tzu and Churchill, and as a
result he and Tzu were very cheaply capturing the bulk of Churchill's
production by attacking where Churchill's 
defenses were weakest. 

But to my mind, with or without an agreement, such a sneak invasion
without 
any real cause, or any public warning whatsoever, is a cheap stab in
the back,
if you ask me.  What's the difference between that action and the
situation where
two thugs mugged someone on the street?  And, if that happened, I
asked myself,
would you help the thugs, or the victim?  What if one of the thugs was
someone 
you knew?  Would it matter whether you'd made an agreement not to
fight that 
person for at least a few more days?

On the other hand, Leila exited an agreement with xXx 3 turns early,
in order
to help a friend in dire need. Churchill was about to expire, and
pleaded
for Leila and I to help as soon as possible. We both agreed to help. 
Some claim that it is dishonorable for Leila to break her agreement. 
Because my 
own people believe strongly in not going to war without due notice
(and we did give notice ourselves), I have to say that I see some
merit in the claim.  However, remaining true to one's conscience takes
precedence over remaining true to one's word.  I believe strongly that
Leila had just cause for her actions and that she gained more honor in
risking herself and marching to a friend's aid, than she would have
had if she had blindly upheld her agreement with a nation (xXx) that
was about to pick her friend's carcass clean (and grow very fat in the
process).

So yes, if any of you are planning to mug another nation, or to
sneak-attack someone who's heavily engaged in honorable combat
elsewhere, you should fear that Leila might break her word on an
agreement.  But if you ask me, that doesn't say anything bad about
Leila.  Although I'd prefer that she give warning next time, it's
pretty clear to me from the remarkably negative tone of this debates
that I'd rather have her on my side than those who are outspokenly
accusing her.

Finally, I want to comment that the timing of xXx's message was
suspicious to me, considering that I had just rejected his offer to
establish a truce line and divide up the spoils of Churchill (which,
not coincidentally, would free up his forces and Tzu's to concentrate
on eliminating Leila).  I found his offer most dishonorable (within my
own sense of honor), and that was a strong motivating factor in my
decision to lend Leila a large force last turn.  But I guess when xXx
couldn't turn me, he decided to go public and see who else might fall
under his spell.  

I will not comment on the remarks by Asterix, who has his own crosses
to bear.

I hope the handful of you who are not already on our side will join us
in actively opposing the aggressor nations, xXx and Tzu.  But do give
notice or at least avoid taking action until your current agreements
expire, so we can avoid more of these pointless debates!

Watchers



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PE-RA-Diplo [painted dog]: The State of Aotearoa
Date:Wed, 26 Nov 2003 04:47:31 +0000

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To all the great leaders,

My humblest appologies, affairs beyond my control have kept from
responding as i should. I expect to re-establish normal lines of
communications after this turn.

I thank you for your patience.

-painted dog